Prop H8: the saga continues

Or rather: The Mayerson linkage on the subject continues:

“In a history-making presidential election that energized voters, California’s 12 state ballot propositions generated high interest as well. Eight in 10 voters (81%) report that they followed news about the measures at least fairly closely, and a solid majority (63%) say they were most interested in Proposition 8. The survey, which polled 2,003 voters from November 5–16, finds these differences between Proposition 8 supporters and opponents:

“* Evangelical or born-again Christians (85%) were far more likely than others (42%) to vote yes.
“* Three in four Republicans (77%) voted yes, two in three Democrats (65%) voted no, and independents were more closely divided (52% yes, 48% no).
“* Supporters of Republican presidential candidate John McCain were far more likely than those who backed President-elect Barack Obama to vote yes (85% vs. 30%).
“* Latinos (61%) were more likely than whites (50%) to vote yes; and 57 percent of Latinos, Asians, and blacks combined voted yes. (Samples sizes for Asians and blacks are too small to report separately.)
“* Voters without a college degree (62%) were far more likely than college graduates (43%) to vote yes.
“* While most voters (65%) consider the outcome of Proposition 8 to be very important, the measure’s supporters (74%) are far more likely than those who voted no (59%) to view the outcome as very important.

“When voters are asked the separate question of whether they favor or oppose same-sex marriage, they are divided, with 47 percent in favor, 48 percent opposed, and 5 percent unsure—a result consistent with responses in the October PPIC pre-election survey.”
Post-Election Survey: Proposition 8 Results Expose Deep Rifts Over Same-Sex Marriage. Partisan Divide Also Emerges in Votes on High-Speed Rail, Abortion Restrictions, and Redistricting, Public Policy Institute of California, December 3, 2008 (via)

“He (Archbishop George Niederauer) expressed the desire to clarify his role in the passage of the proposition, faced to the media’s speculations about the involvement of the Catholic bishops in California.

“The prelate explained that the California Catholic Conference urged Catholics to contribute work and resources for the passage of Proposition 8, along with other referendums. He stated: ‘The Archdiocese of San Francisco did not donate or transfer any archdiocesan funds to the campaign in favor of Proposition 8.

“‘As far as I know, that is also true of other Catholic dioceses in California. The archdiocese did pay, and appropriately disclose, printing and distribution of flyers to parishes.’

“The archbishop reported that he had approached leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons) whom he knew from his 11 years as bishop of Salt Lake City, and who ‘were already considering an involvement in connection with Proposition 8.’

“He affirmed, ‘I did write to them and they urged the members of their Church, especially those in California, to become involved.’

“The prelate continued, ‘It is important to point out here that a wide range of churches became active in favor of Proposition 8: In addition to Catholics and [Latter-day Saint] members, evangelical Protestant churches and churches with many African-American members joined the effort, and, among the Orthodox churches, the Greek Orthodox Metropolitan of San Francisco and three other Orthodox bishops signed and published a joint statement in favor of Proposition 8.'”
Archbishop Niederauer on California Marriage Amendment, Zenit News Agency, December 5, 2008 (via)

“In December 2005, John and Furnish tied the knot in a civil partnership ceremony in Windsor, England. But, clarified the singer, ‘We’re not married. Let’s get that right. We have a civil partnership. What is wrong with Proposition 8 is that they went for marriage. Marriage is going to put a lot of people off, the word marriage.’

“John and Furnish, and their two cocker spaniels, Marilyn and Arthur, were in town for Tuesday’s annual benefit for the Elton John AIDS Foundation.

“‘I don’t want to be married. I’m very happy with a civil partnership. If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership,’ John says. ‘The word ‘marriage,’ I think, puts a lot of people off.

“‘You get the same equal rights that we do when we have a civil partnership. Heterosexual people get married. We can have civil partnerships.'”
Elton John: Where Prop 8 went wrong, by Donna Freydkin, USA Today, November 13, 2008 (Also: Let’s be civil. Gay people shouldn’t worry too much about Proposition 8. Marriage isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.) (via)

“Leaders of the California Legislature and members of its gay and lesbian caucus have introduced measures supporting the repeal of Proposition 8, the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage approved by voters last month.

“While the resolutions have no force of law, they would put the state’s lawmakers on record in support of legal arguments, made by gay rights activists and officials from San Francisco and several other cities, that the measure was a revision of the state Constitution and not a simple amendment.”
State lawmakers weigh in on Prop. 8, by Wyatt Buchanan, SF Chronicle Sacramento Bureau, December 3, 2008 (via)

Whoa, San Francisco’s own Archbishop worked really hard to get Prop H8 passed. And brought the Mormons into it. Go figure that. Maybe familiarity does breed contempt.

I think all civil marriage should be called civil partnerships and leave marriage, sorry, Marriage, with the churches. As in separation of church and state. Much neater all the way around. And that is what the churches really want. Yes, I know they want to deny anyone else’s authority on marriage, so take it completely out of the marriage arena. I wonder if anyone is collecting signatures to put a proposition on the ballot to move marriage out of the state of California’s legal language and replace it with civil partnership. I’d sign for something like that.

Update: Also these I forgot to put in:

Special Investigation: Prop. 8 Postmortem


“Until the final days, the campaign failed to take advantage of the backing of every major newspaper in the state, as well as that of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, former President Bill Clinton and future President Barack Obama. In one bizarre episode, an outside consultant was forced to ‘jackhammer’ the campaign leadership simply to convince them to make use of a robo-call from Bill Clinton. The campaign also rejected a Spanish-language ad featuring Dolores Huerta, a heroine of the United Farm Workers union.”
Same-Sex Setback


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